When Kammerer published his results initially, a bunch of scientists immediately began to say CARL ZIMMER: "Wait a minute, hold on here, it would be nice if life was like that but life isn't like that. But it failed. Yeah, there you go. Like Id be like, Weve got the keys, were gonna trash the house., LATIF: Anyway, we think about that all the time and I was just talking to Lulu about that and she was just like, You know, theres a radiolab about this.. He was a born nurturer and he adored animals. Wow. Catch up with new episodes and hear classics from our archive. So we did stop. ROBERT: If you were a great rat mommy, what would you be doing with your rat baby? JAD: So now, the genes can make the proteins that make the rats a good mom? A lot of times that's not the case. I just didnt think. It does, it does make kind of a folk sense. PAT: The question that was stuck in my head right then was, "If you could choose between being born knowing that your life might end up like that and not like it is now, or not been born at all, what would you have done?". JAD: So heres the backstory. All these chemicals racing by crashing into it, sticking, and one of the bits that gets covered up is that little bit that makes the proteins that create a maternal instinct. He thought that you could kind of engineer societies by changing the environment. ROBERT: Is that what you're saying? What does that mean, he was an idiot? Radiolab: Inheritance - Mastering Rhetoric Radiolab: Inheritance Posted on February 26, 2013 by wlin4 So I listened to Radiolab's story on "Inheritance" which talks about genetics. She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. You cant say that. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? Listen Jan 20, 2023 [ARCHIVAL CLIP, toddler: Theres the moon.]. She asked my opinion and that's what I'm giving. OLOV BYGREN: They didn't have grains. And those lucky ones, according to Darwin's theory, they would have had to have been born with some random mutation in their genes That gave them an advantage in this situation. PAT: Destiny says one day, she and her mom were in the car, and her mom said DESTINY HARRIS: She said, "I don't know, you know, maybe they'll grow bigger? Most toads, he says, love to stay in the water. Here, Kammerer's was saying, "You can do this even on a physical level.". Listen Feb 10, 2023 Bliss When did you last shout from happiness? And one of them is called the thyroid system. ROBERT: And then the next one after that. I'm the founder and director of Project Prevention. ROBERT: Telling some genes to turn off now, other genes to turn on. OLOV BYGREN: Looking for patterns in cardiovascular diseases, high blood pressure, and such. PAT: But were getting ahead of ourselves here. He actually named his daughter Lacerta, which is a genus of lizard. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. He's 22, 23, and he already had this reputation for being amazing at keeping animals alive, that otherwise would just die. Anyhow, so you got this guy, Paul Kammerer, who's good with animals. That's a lot of people. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. And I just felt like it was in one of those moments that contains everything that's good about us as people. The lady knew why we were there. Michael was in school and he got interested in a very, very basic question about how things get passed down? JAD: You got your good parents and your bad parents. We'll just be honest. I wouldn't want to put it up to chance, because what kind of life is that? What do you mean? And I packed up my stuff, it's pretty much done. SAM KEAN: And he would basically turn the heat way, way up in these aquariums until they had to go underwater. He thought that you could kind of engineer societies by changing the environment. There was a newspaper called The Daily Express and they have these headlines that come out. JAD: Actually, the idea itself is pretty old. We need to oblige the constraints of WNYC copyright arrangements and apologise for any inconveniences caused. Are you nine? ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Yeah, lets read.]. Can you say oh my goodness? Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. That was it. And Barbara and Destiny walked me out to my car. And, I mean, I have straight A's and I'm making it work. CARL ZIMMER: So they can grab onto the female and hold tight while they're mating. But what exactly. Who gave Destiny her first checkup told Barbara That she was delayed and she was always going to be delayed because of her prenatal neglect. Nobody has a right to do that to a baby. ROBERT: He was a born nurturer and he adored animals. PAT: Nobody's arguing that women should do drugs when they're pregnant. SAM KEAN: They wanted to see basically the effects of starvation on multiple generations. But she says, you can tell right away, just by looking, that some rat moms don't lick their kids a lot. That, in a sort of ass backward way was Michael's question. Thanks to Olov Bygren, reporter Pejk Malinovski and Karin Borgkvist Ljung, and I'm a senior archivist at the National Archive in Marieberg in Stockholm. Well, yep, that is so true. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You have to look at one cage, say, are they licking? Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts What Up Holmes? BARBARA HARRIS: "She's born and tested positive for PCP crack and heroin." The connection between trees Normally trees from different species are competitors. JAD: And then, Michael just launched into this thing. We neuter them.". She actually emailed me afterwards and adjusted that number down a couple hundred. It's just a mind crushing tedium. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Cancer. In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. All right, I'll get in the water." Okay, and then I just had to accept it. CARL ZIMMER: To build these terrariums and aquariums and stock them with animals. PAT: And in 1989, when the story we're telling now started, she was living in California, in Orange County. ROBERT: So you think you can get deep down? There were four girls and Barbara and Destiny told me that a few years ago they found three of them and they all either were in college or had finished college. I said, "No, no, that's okay." A couple of days later, I had already bonded with her so much, it was as if I gave birth to her. ROBERT: And there were from the beginning. Yeah. How old are your boys right now? He was miserable to look at. I had a little basketball for her. She said, "Well, she's just beautiful and she has lips like a baby doll." I guess retard. ROBERT: So, somehow, by some chemical mechanism, starving grandpa, back when he was about 9 to 12 years old, turned out to be a good thing. PEJK MALINOVSKI: He was an idiot. I just got custody of my eight-year-old son. And that advantage, whatever it was, because it starts with one individual, and then it gets passed onto the kids, and then onto their kids, it would take a long, long, long time to spread through the whole population because, generally, that's how evolution works. All the babies I had seen and all the people that have called me to tell me about their babies that were damaged. Test the outer edges of what you think you know. Suddenly you're marked. They have found very similar effects for smoking, for instance. She and I snuck away from the children into her office. Kinda makes me claustrophobic. After I've gotten to know so many of the women. My name is Jean Kean. So the great rat nightmare comes true where the females become their mothers. And again, Barbara thinks, "Come on, but if this little girl is here, she should be with her brother and sister. DESTINY HARRIS: Not been born at all. So for Isaiah, being born was like just being cut off. So its like grandpa's struggle is jumping forward and giving me a leg up? That was it. You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? In any case, what they saw at the end of all this counting wasWell, first of all, what they saw was this pattern that rat pups who got licked a lot as babies, when they grew up, they licked their babies a lot and the rat pups who didn't get licked a lot, when they grew up, they didn't lick their babies. I mean, yes, I might get a great family, but I might not. They told me a bunch of these stories, one of them involving, well DESTINY HARRIS: I don't have the biggest boobies in the world. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Like you said, when you were in your addiction like she is], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: I didn't say I'm God. JAD: Serotonin gets into the brain cells, and according to Michael unleashes MICHAEL MEANEY: A whole series of molecular events inside the cell. Okay, well of them, don't really know what happened to her. Look, in the end, what do I know? ROBERT: They would experience these wild changes from harvest to harvest. PAT: Watching this, I couldn't help but think that Destiny's very existence is probably the most interesting argument against what Barbara is doing. Its something I still think about all the time. BARBARA HARRIS: Saying the mother had given birth to a baby girl, did we want her? JAD: Thanks to Olov Bygren, reporter Pejk Malinovski and KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Karin Borgkvist Ljung, and I'm a senior archivist at the National Archive in Marieberg in Stockholm. By all accounts a pretty good-looking guy. It might be a mixture. Covid has disrupted the most basic routines of our days and nights. I mean, it's pretty common but like, here's a for instance, my dad from my entire life had this thing where if someone was whistling, he would. Where we sought, they will find. She should be with me. DESTINY HARRIS: Kick it to him. Were there any consequences? JAD: Started with the tongue. ROBERT: A few years later, there'd be a harsh winter. This is nice and quiet. It's a little odd, actually. But I'm going to give them a basin of water. They would experience these wild changes from harvest to harvest. JAD: Its an idea thats been kicking around for me since my kids were born. This is real physical-chemical interaction between what's going on in the environment and what's going on with the DNA. Professional authors can write an essay in 3 hours, if there is a certain volume, but it must be borne in mind that with such a service the price will be the highest. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: He had no idea about DNA. ROBERT: And those lucky ones, according to Darwin's theory, they would have had to have been born with some random mutation in their genes SAM KEAN: That gave them an advantage in this situation. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations._Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. And looking at these swings in fortune, Olov realized what he had here was Because with all this data, he and his team could follow families forward in time, through the generations. And she told Barbara, "There's something you need to know about this baby.". The women who I've worked with, who've had a history of drug problems, aren't like the examples that she gives. So, of course the folks at the Vivarium asked him. JAD: Wait, when you say they can choose to be sterilized, you mean permanent? I agree with Lynn, that this program does perpetuate a stereotype. We'll just get one more.". This is the verkalix church parish record. Just a little. It seemed to have been passed down for multiple generations. BARBARA HARRIS: Yeah, the social worker called and told me the mother had given birth. ROBERT: But the story he told us begins around 25 years ago. IMDb is the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. You can't change your DNA. When rats have more of this protein, they will act more motherly. His famous example was giraffes. LYNN PALTROW: The women who I've worked with, who've had a history of drug problems, aren't like the examples that she gives. ", PAT: In other words, "Could I pay women who have drug problems to stop having babies?". [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Well lets lets read the book first. Once their born, their genes are fixed and change does not happen in a generation or two. I'm the founder and director of Project Prevention. In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. They both say that they actually often forget that they're not biologically related. We have experts even in very specific fields of study, so you will definitely find a writer who can manage your order. JAD: So we're going to leave you with a story from our producer, Pat Walters, about one woman's radical JAD: A few months ago, Pat made his way down in North Carolina, to a small suburb outside of Charlotte to visit this family. What happens when moms lick their pups is that the pup beccomes aroused. Or is it? I don't like to upset people. ROBERT: That's Sam Kean again. Maybe they'd try and jump back out, but it was still hot so they'd have to jump back in. Kalia came too. The event that really sets this story in motion, the set of events, happened a few months after Barbara had brought Destiny home. And I was a waitress, I worked for IHOP for over 30 years. Just sing. Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. No, not brain cells. PAT: Over the past five years, if you look at our tax return. SAM KEAN: It does, it does make kind of a folk sense. DESTINY HARRIS: As you can see, I like to talk. JAD: It's writer, Sam Kean again, and here's, he says, what you need to know about the midwife toad. Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. CARL ZIMMER: Well, it was a zoo where there was all sorts of experiments going on. JAD: I dont know. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Yes, he was retarded. JAD: That's what good rat mothers do, they lick their babies a lot. Is it a big town? CARL ZIMMER: They'd spend more time in the water. DESTINY HARRIS: Oh my goodness. They won't grow much on the outside, but on the inside That is the time where the sperms are developing. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Who, together, pledged more than $150,000 to her program.]. So, somehow, by some chemical mechanism, starving grandpa, back when he was about 9 to 12 years old, turned out to be a good thing. So yeah, she keeps me busy. Push yourself and you got it.". You know, when smart people say, you know, "There's no such thing as nature and nurture it's only interaction of the two," You're like, "What the hell does that mean?" It happens. LYNN PALTROW: Tell me what your image of a drug-using pregnant woman is. She's 20 months old. The critical part of this JAD: Is that all these changes wake up this little gang of proteins. Then World War One came and that disrupted everything. That you're just renaming it. Your boys will first grow taller and taller for the next few years, and when they get to be about 9, 10 years old, they're going to stop growing just for a few years. JAD: Just to be sure, we asked Frances Champagne what she thinks of this data. They began to grow these all puffy things on their hands. ROBERT: And this idea won him a lot of fans, including, not surprisingly, the Soviets. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. I said, "No, no, that's okay." A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. And as soon as she got there to pick him up, she could tell that something was wrong. Because there is more data, more information about the people of verkalix, going farther back into the past than you can find almost anywhere else on Earth. BARBARA HARRIS: They were seven and eight at the time. This whole toad thing, to the Darwinian faction, it didn't scan really. It's writer, Sam Kean again, and here's, he says, what you need to know about the midwife toad. So heres the backstory. I mean, were not gonna do that ourselves. Environmental Biology Radiolab - Inheritance Due to Haiku by Monday March 3rd Name: Dmitry Matveev Date: CARL ZIMMER: He hit the lecture circuit and he hit it big. BARBARA HARRIS: I'm not saying that these women are dogs but they're not acting any more responsible than a dog in heat. But I take it that we have more control over our destinies and our kids' destinies than we would've thought. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Whats this letter right here? JAD: Or very many of them right at all, but, you know, his basic idea seems to be true. The bit of DNA that will give this baby when it grows up the instincts to be nice to its baby, and lick that baby. They lived longer lives, something like 30 years on average. SAM KEAN: And these effects, in fact, were so strong that you could trace it to the grandfather. ROBERT: Are you near the Arctic Circle or OLOV BYGREN: My home village was 10 miles North of polar circle. To build these terrariums and aquariums and stock them with animals. JAD: I want to start with a parental day dream for a second. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? Stick around. Barbara says they've reached out to her many times but they never heard back. 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