Since this council, Ive seen abundant evidence of the existence of this fallen law. And now the message of this type of excommunication is that, not only are the noble and great ones given the authority to lead (hopefully to SERVE), but they are the only ones who should reach out and take hold of the awesome promises that are expounded in the scriptures. When youre old, odd isnt as odd as it is when youre young and have a nice big box to fit everything into. The job of church leaders is to try to lead the Church by the Spirit. I further testify that we truly glorify Him with love, patience, understanding, tolerance, compassion forsaking judgment, fear, guilt, hierarchies, comparison, competition, contention, and control. I first wrote about Mike Stroud in September 2017, several months after I'd been introduced to his podcasts by a wardmember. I am wondering if I could get your comment, (off record of course) re a member named James T. Prout. Authors reaction. I appreciated Mike pointing out that Nephi told his brothers that they dont get answers because they dont ask or if they do ask then they dont really believe that they will receive answers. It is a BURDEN on those so chosen. 5. This document was basically their attempt to establish that. Perhaps, Id better serve my own desire for Zion by showing more zeal instead of being pessimistic. Shiver me timbers! Actually I know of one of Kimberlys associates who flat out disagreed with this very quote during a social media discussion. Then they came down and did something about it. I have a doubt I do anything out of love, I do things because I care. It was a well attended meeting and there was a good spirit there. The true pandemic (we haven't seen the real pandemic yet) will be horrible and the news of it so bad that it will be just as painful to hear the news of the plague as it will be to experience it. Without the illusion of separation, those whove had greater knowledge and gifts bestowed would not little need to hide them. Dont be afraid. Rush ultimately got his way. Its this kind of fluffy, fear mongering, reaching for the stars conclusions that made the document so difficult to read. This flies in the face of their favorite social media montras Follow the prophet! So apparently we should always follow the prophetexcept for them when a prophet says something they disagree with and then they can toss it outbut for the rest of us, we have to hold strict adherence. Number 2 however is very likely. Wish us luck. Replace it with righteous dominion? I will tell you that as a former student of Hugh Nibley this is no different than what he use to say in his B of M class. My question was Are you in a position to tell us what part of that definition was applied by whom in Mikes case? A simple no would have been an adequate response. But without love you wont probably care, and if you care, it is because of love. And now it has come to this. Known addresses. Unrighteous dominion is the result of fear. A Remnant Shall Return - 2020 Edition: A Study of the Restoration of the House of Israel (Understanding the Last Days Series Book 1), 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. Hardening rural white listeners and weaponizing white male grievance. His books speak for themselves. Caring and love. or. Talk to his neighbors and ward members as I have and you will see how badly you misjudge somebody who is only crime is taking the scriptures seriously and encouraging others to do the same. 26 I hope those in Mikes stake high council did not use any of the content in this doc as a basis for their ruling. [A]t this point in time, in the day of the gathering of Israel, there has never been a more appropriate time for us to obtain the power and knowledge, wisdom and understanding from the Book of Mormon through revelation and angelic ministry than right now. Then her life fell apart", "The 30 most influential people on the internet", "Writer Walter Kirn, on a 'Mission to America', "Sarah Pratt: The Shaping of an Apostate", https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2016/06/21/author-of-letter-to-a-ces-director-resigns-from-mormon-church/, "The Forgotten Daughter: Julia Murdock Smith", "Ex-mormon Christians United For Jesus | Sharing Biblical truth in love | Bio", "Slayer of Five Boys Is Executed in Utah By Injection of Drugs", "Valley killer on FBI most wanted list spotted in Utah", "Mormon Stories founder Dehlin's spread of 'false concepts' results in excommunication from LDS Church | KSL.com", "LDS Church leaders release, excommunicate Elder James J. Hamula", "Kelly laments her 'painful' excommunication from Mormon church", "Mormons Oust First Indian in the Hierarchy", "Roz Chalmers, Merlin Holland, David Charles Manners, David Waterman, Midweek - BBC Radio 4", "Skyjackerthe Richard McCoy Jr. Story - Part 2", "Controversial Mormon writer gets the word: He's out of the church", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_former_or_dissident_Mormons&oldid=1140233272, This page was last edited on 19 February 2023, at 03:06. He is also an adviser with the National Diversity Coalition for Trump. Its okay to work with these things as long as the Zion initiate acknowledges them for the illusion that that are. Follow this link to a Book of Mormon discussion on the moral fiber of the Stripling Warriors "Talking Scripture" Alma 53-63. Because of the higher calling that theyve appointed themselves to, all other rules can be ignored. I'm hoping he'll see this and come here and elaborate, since he disabled comments on the video. Yea, keep His law with all thy might I dont quite share Strouds optimism about the spiritual level of the church as a whole. Oh, I knew the feeling, but I did not know what feeling goes with the word, and I did not know the word for the feeling, and I struggled for years not knowing how to obey the Two Great Commandments since each requires a knowledge of what is love (as meant in the scripture anyway; the word has many human meanings). (But the few Spanish and Portuguese podcasts are still up, so who knows.). In sharing that vision those that feel threatened wanted to kill him and he was directed to leave after going back for his familys set of scriptures that was in the possession of Laban. We have heard only a few of Mikes podcasts encouraging personal revelation. Where they went? These Indians ate insects, had degraded down to such a state that truly, with the loss of the Spirit of the Lord, they had become a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations. Fund Franchise michael b rush excommunicated. As you kneel down in prayer before reading the book, ask the Lord to send these men and these women to you to teach, instruct, give greater understanding, and even visions and manifestations to you (Podcast 023: 1 Nephi 22, abt 4:14) Ive seen one critic use the word conjuring to describe what Brother Stroud recommended. What mightve gotten him in trouble this time? Thank you for this update on Mike Stroud. I think it's way off with The Watchers and other "out there" interpretations. Somethings been gnawing at me as Ive listened to Strouds podcasts during the last week or so. While the church doesn't regularly provide information about excommunication or resignation, those listed here have made such information public. Then Samuel the Lamanite on the wall, andoh, oh, oh! I believe thats why the Lord wanted these podcasts to be done (Podcast 08: 1 Nephi 5-7, abt 41:23). Visit Author Central to update your books, profile picture, and biography. Monthly Newsletter | Book Reviews | Contact Author, Free Chapters | Free Audiobooks | Free eBooks | Free Videos | Free Tools, Click on The Product You Would Like Below, Book Review:A Remnant Shall Return- byMichael B Rush, Free Download- See the Analyzed Differences Between The Last Days Timeline and A Remnant Shall Return - Click Here. If youre going to make extraordinary truth claims and claims about revelations, visions, etc., youre going to look a bit foolish when you say something like, oh, well these people all had visions and those were real, but these people having visions are making false claims or deceived by Satan or whatever. Many prophets exist; men and women alike, but only one is THE prophet. "Always A Cowboy: Judge Wilson McCarthy and the Rescue of the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad." Stroud also recommended asking for visitations from specific Book of Mormon individuals. I was very saddened to learn of Mike Strouds excommunication, but why was his wife also excommunicated? What is told to your mind might be from God, might not be. who have extraordinary experiences with God.. There are tens of thousands of us all across the conservative movement. Michael Mansour Rush, 69. Malmquist, p. 173; "The New Salt Lake 'Herald'." But if you take a higher altitude view, there are a number of changes that could be conservative by some definition. 1. The fate of the last 2 "break-away" feathersand who they serve UNDER. Michael B. "When You Wish Upon A Star: The Musical Legacy of Utah Composer Leigh Harline. But a state of extreme false doctrine would pour over a room and land you right in front of a Stake President. I quite like Michael Rush. Mike Stroud is teaching all of these NEW and EXPERIMENTAL concepts that are NOT based on any scriptural truths or words of the Prophets. Please dont misunderstand, I am not saying that Mike Stroud is a prophet. Were I to answer that question, I would simply be joining in the cacophony. And unrighteous dominion thrives. Bless their hearts, they grab onto something they crave or feel drawn to or whatever, and an obsessiveness follows that strains coping skills for the individuals involved, as well as family and friends who try to help them regain balance and moderation. Well I can say for those of us as lifers and close to retirement have all seen a culture change. It was a problematic combination. Seems like there must be more to the story. Im with you 110%. When will they return? And trust and hope wanes. The doc follows the same format. Michael Rush in Michigan 59 people named Michael Rush found in Detroit-Ann Arbor-Flint, Grand Rapids-Muskegon-Holland and 5 other cities. Don't miss this webinar with best selling author Michael Rush as he shares some of the careful and insightful ways he researches the scriptures in order to write powerful and thought-provoking books. If the answer is to try to retain Millennials and Gen Z, then I say no way. Lets see in the BOM alone we have Lehi witnessing a pillar of fire vision that left him exhausted; Nephi being taken up to a high miountain and shown the history of the world; Abinadi being prompted to call out the priests of King Noah at the risk of death; King Benjamin being visited by an angel, Alma the Youngers theophany that left him near death, not to mention those of Limhi and other Lamanite converts. That flow from fountains pure. Michael B Rush Family Robin C Rush Lindsey M Rush Joe M Rush Patrick M Rush Patrick Rush Show all locations and family Age. And he is correct on that. I have heard a number of accounts of people claiming to have received a personal audience with the Savior, and after some were instructed by Him to share certain things about their experience, Church leaders told them to be quiet. If God offers gifts, are we supposed to disrespect the gift by refusing to seek after it? Anything God wants you to know is either (1) already in scripture or (2) told direct to your mind. Irony of ironies! But the only way anyone can know the answer to your question is if they were in the room with the SP o and HC.In my experience even the letter announcing the hearing is very ambiguous and of course there is never any formal announcement for the rationale for the decision. Fear of deception is deception. Fear of being deceived effectively stops you. Most in the church know little about this topic and Im not too thrilled about even commenting on it but the author did accuse of it so a response is warranted. Formally join another church and advocate its teachings. Whitepages helps 19 people every second do reverse phone lookups , find people and get background checks , including public records , in order to make smarter, safer decisions. Invitation. What am I going to do about it? Caring implies action; love is just a feeling. So if Stroud was declared apostate for teaching questionable doctrine, those are the obvious trouble spots.[1]. I have served on the HC in multiple stakes HC , Temple worker in multiple temples HP group leader and my real claim to fame SM twice totaling 6 years, released when I turn 70 and presently teach an Institute class. Guilt. Incidentally, no alternative under the definition of apostacy [a]s used here, i.e. He is talking about the government in v14, and maybe the leadership of the church. Hes very humble. And then Christ goes and talks about all being one , and that eternal life is to KNOW HIM in John 17. We accept him as a prophet because his story is in the scriptures instead of a current podcast. By Michael Rush Mike and Bryce explain why understanding the truth is so vitally important. If he gives his opinion he always clearly, clearly states it is his opinion only and is to be taken into consideration only if guided to by the spirit. If were not supposed to strive for these things, then what are the stories for? Several people put together an open letter (a Google doc) citing new questionable teachings from his conference address onward. There was also no reason to test the spirits as the author accuses. Benson or whoever stated the proverbial straw that broke the marriages backs. This is the current definition of apostasy per the handbook: I know when Stroud got excommunicated, Julie Rowe suggested she would likely suffer the same fate (though I didnt get the impression it was imminent). But havent as yet got much of it read. No one in the church called them to write up that online doc. It is simultaneously hilarious and tragic that an institution who makes such extraordinary (some would say literally unbelievable) claims about personal revelations, heavenly visitations, etc. Of course he should just as the Savior taught. For them, all it takes is about 2 minutes of eastern style meditation and youre floating away. Im not saying that Christ would say that, but its the message that is often received by fallen man. Ive listened to almost every podcast of Mike Stroud. 3. How many times over the last 25 years did I cringe when someone would quote Mormon Doctrine as fact instead of opinion. The enemy of God is cunning and can put words or thoughts in your mind that, being nearly correct, discourage further study on that topic because you think youve gotten it straight from God. Her six kids are totally screwed up. Where they went? Perhaps the authors research on this topic was poor, but this quote has come up on social media a number of times and Im a bit surprised the author has not seen it. (Discovery Channel) 25 Feb 2021. Press the space key then arrow keys to make a selection. Many of you might be familiar with this guy, he's the guy who's been quite prolific about the Ezra's Eagle prophecy. Jana Riess research on Millennials: churchistrue quick take, Another Podcaster Excommunicated, But Maybe Not For the Reason You Think. Ezra Taft Benson - Civic Standards for the Faithful Saints - start at min mark 11:30. Rush. Instead, its based on separation and comparison in how their abilities measure up to the abilities of others. Michael is a top 10 best selling author in his respective genre. But I agree with you general point that if we want to establish Zion we need to shrug off the standard mortal way of looking at things. by Maroriginal1 August 23rd, 2021, 1:27 pm. The pages in that book after my daughter was murdered helped my heart to forgive and let go and for that I am forever grateful for his words he shared. As you read the chapters in the Book of Mormon, identify beforehand the characters that you will be reading about. Heres my take on that. including by not limited to: legal, investing, financial, medical, accounting, or any other professional advice. I love the gospel of Jesus Christ, His atoning sacrifice. Brother Skys comments are not without a sound of legitimacy, however, perhaps a couple more points might add to the discussion. Where are the stories of single mothers working desperately to provide food for their children, even to the point of offering their bodies to men of power who exercise unrighteous dominion? Log In. Personal revelation does not give anyone the right to direct others or to convince them that they were ordained by translated beings to bring them to the Church of the First born. I am one of the authors of the Google Doc that is being blamed for Mike Strouds Excommunication. Those who are truly learned in the things of God have learned to recognize such and if they condemn someones claims, claiming itself being a huge red flag, they do so with an understanding and recognition of what is absent to validate the claims. And yet it is exactly the same thing they have done. I say this because in my long life Ive heard a few claim Pres. 2. Astral projection is basically when someones spirit consciously leaves their body and then returns. I have appreciated the respect given even when people here disagreed with each other. I think Ill just stick to Fair Mormon et al. MR . I think others have heard him quite differently. Really enjoy reading your blog site! These are our examples. Listen to Mikes podcasts for your self. Hierarchy is a perception of of the fallen state We perceive that it exists because of our natural eyes. 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